love means never having to say sorry for waterboarding you

Who could not love the war on terror:

Bush “was fixated on how to get Zubaydah to tell us the truth,” Suskind writes, and he asked one briefer, “Do some of these harsh methods really work?”

Interrogators did their best to find out, Suskind reports. They strapped Abu Zubaydah to a water-board, which reproduces the agony of drowning. They threatened him with certain death. They withheld medication. They bombarded him with deafening noise and harsh lights, depriving him of sleep.

Under that duress, he began to speak of plots of every variety — against shopping malls, banks, supermarkets, water systems, nuclear plants, apartment buildings, the Brooklyn Bridge, the Statue of Liberty. With each new tale, “thousands of uniformed men and women raced in a panic to each…target.” And so, Suskind writes, “the United States would torture a mentally disturbed man and then leap, screaming, at every word he uttered.”

"Washington post book review "The One Percent Doctrine" by Ron Suskind

the classic argument goes, you know there is a bomb somewhere in the city, its set to go off in an hour, would you torture a suspect to find out where the bomb is? Wouldn't you risk one life to save a thousand? Well here is the opposite of the argument, you know there is a bomb in the city because you tortured a suspect into telling you there was a bomb in the city.

Never forget that both Donald duck and mickey mouse were on the KGB wanted lists during the Stalin years. Why? Because the names were extracted from victims of Stalins repression under torture. Simple fact, under enough pressure you will agree with anything, sign anything, say anything to make the pain go away, and to base a policy, any decision upon confessions extracted under torture is ludicrous. And yet we have a multi billion dollar "terrorism" industry and a thousand governmantal issues being formulated from this very fact.