love means never having to say sorry for waterboarding you

Who could not love the war on terror:

Bush “was fixated on how to get Zubaydah to tell us the truth,” Suskind writes, and he asked one briefer, “Do some of these harsh methods really work?”

Interrogators did their best to find out, Suskind reports. They strapped Abu Zubaydah to a water-board, which reproduces the agony of drowning. They threatened him with certain death. They withheld medication. They bombarded him with deafening noise and harsh lights, depriving him of sleep.

Under that duress, he began to speak of plots of every variety — against shopping malls, banks, supermarkets, water systems, nuclear plants, apartment buildings, the Brooklyn Bridge, the Statue of Liberty. With each new tale, “thousands of uniformed men and women raced in a panic to each…target.” And so, Suskind writes, “the United States would torture a mentally disturbed man and then leap, screaming, at every word he uttered.”

"Washington post book review "The One Percent Doctrine" by Ron Suskind

the classic argument goes, you know there is a bomb somewhere in the city, its set to go off in an hour, would you torture a suspect to find out where the bomb is? Wouldn't you risk one life to save a thousand? Well here is the opposite of the argument, you know there is a bomb in the city because you tortured a suspect into telling you there was a bomb in the city.

Never forget that both Donald duck and mickey mouse were on the KGB wanted lists during the Stalin years. Why? Because the names were extracted from victims of Stalins repression under torture. Simple fact, under enough pressure you will agree with anything, sign anything, say anything to make the pain go away, and to base a policy, any decision upon confessions extracted under torture is ludicrous. And yet we have a multi billion dollar "terrorism" industry and a thousand governmantal issues being formulated from this very fact.

what doesnt kill you will probably make you limp

over a year and half to go before the big fury bush disolves into the history he so richly deserves to be left in dust of. Best just to sit back and enjoy the rich tapestry of unfolding lawsuits, untrammeled executive power, the trojans of lobbyists skewering the democratic process, the torture, the killings, the negroponte'ing of iraq, the war on liberty, the liberty of excess and so much more that I should poemize, and if I am serious, I will.

As for the ol hometown of australia, I have little john and his fun with being king of all that a compliant senate will allow and so far has brung. Will we vote again to give the sheriff free rein to ellucidate all that he neglected to mention during the last election, the work place relations, the asylum laws which create a non-state of australia within the borders of australia, the terror laws which make it a crime to mention the terror laws, the utter bullshit and the king of bureaucratic bullshit, phill ruddock.

how can man whose last department was described offically as "disfunctional" "incompetent" and corrupt be the very man in charge of all laws in the land and the one man charged to keep us safe from terror, not that I dont have a natural aversion to terror, its all in the fact that it is terrifying, which is I suppose the point to call it such.

anyway, first post so I am just filling in words while awaiting the apocalypse/rapture, I am so hopeful that its the rastifarians who have got it right and we have a great big spliff fest to mark the last day before we get assigned to our rightful slots in heaven, hell or limbo. Me, I gots a good deceased pub picked out already, one that closed many years ago and Ive been missing it ever since, the punters club, if there is a heaven, it must contain dead bars, otherwise whats the point of calling it paradise.